Buzzers

[blood]

So what's the deal, I know they should be fished very slow / stationary but do they fish best on slow sinker or floater or is it just a case of trial and error to get the depth..... is it better to fish a couple as a team... questions questions.. any help gratefully received


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Stephen

[donnelly69]

I know they should be fished very slow / stationary

You don't know what you've sarted Stephen!! Like most flies, there's a thousand ways to fish them!!

I prefer to fish them, either on the dropper (with a red/amber Apps on the point), or as a tandem pair. Floating line, fished across the wind, allowed to drift right around, into the margins if needed. Grease your tippet, starting deep, working your way up every couple of casts 'til you find the fish. Once you find them, grease your line every other cast or so, to keep the right depth or stick a bung on, if you use them.

Good luck.

[Fruitbat]

Great way to fish but it also can be a frustrating way .I always fish with 3 and the heavier one on the point.The reason i let the point buzzer sit on the bottom so that the 2 droppers will float/sit if you get the idea.You can use any line it all depends on the depth of water you are fishing.You would not use a Di7 in 6 ft of water but a midge tip would be great on a slow retrieve.

Great buzzer
hook 10 or 12
small red tag at bend of hook.
body and thorax black thread.
cheeks gold holo tinsel.

[naisreka]

Definitely many ways m8, my favourite two are; as mentiond a team of three (Two or one will do) and drift them in the ripple or wave dependant on the water slowly figure of eighting to keep the line tight enough to detect takes or hook up efficiantl.

A really bouyant fly on the point, my favourite is the big ugly daddy, with one or two buzzers on the dropperand watch the dry for movement. This method is often called a washing line.

I know I said two but there is another I love and that is to tie the buzzer to a length of leader connected to the bend of the hook on a big bushy flie as above or another favourite of mine for this is the F'n Katie (CDC Kate McClaren). The bouyant fly will dip when taken very much like an indicator.

[lochbois]

If you inspect the stomachs of most of the trout on stillwaters here in the north east Buzzers arnt on the trouts menu.
I think czech nymph fishing practiced on rivers could be close to reservoir buzzer fishig.
Most of the buzzers invented everyday by anglers at the vice are nothing to do with the natural buzzer are they?
If they catch you fish all well and good but stripping a team of buzzers in at speed is called fishing mini lures isnt it?
Im no purist i used to carry every fly in the book but their is something rewarding when you actually work out what that fish is haveing for breakfast or his evening meal.What the Sea-Trout fresh from the sea takes my Bibio or my Peter-Ross for is another subject but thats the beauty of fly fishing isnt it and flies dont smell like power bait on your hands PB

[naisreka]

Lochbois;;; I spoon fish from still water regularly and they do contain buzzers, and sometimes a lot of them. I also believe the majority of buzzer patterns do represent buzzers, in profile and often colour.

I don't often see buzzers pulled fast but have to admit I saw them roly poly'd today If you read the above advice it tends toward fishing them imitatively.

[lochbois]

That roly poly is deadly fished with a Bibio , Kate Mclaren, and red montana. First time i tried it was off the point at Hury fish were full of snails.
There bellies were crunching with snails couldnt touch a fish till i put the rod under my arm and started the Roly Polly.
Brownies love the rolly polly retreive so do i.
Me im just crap at Buzzer fishing in its true form.

[LEON]

I've always though fishing buzzers should be static. and indeed I've caught many fish that way. However the other day when I was Fishing Clerklands me and my brother were discussing with the new Manager and other anglers who Witnessed some Pro Angler?? Who ever he was??? They said that he was using Buzzers and the Apps Bloodworm But they said with awe! that he was Stripping them really Fast and was continually catching Fish. They had never seen the like before. so all I can say is there are no hard facts to the notion that the fish have read the rule books and that Buzzers or Lures like the Apps Bloodworm are not bound to the rules. The only way is to put the rule books aside and ensure that you VARY your retrieve no matter what you have tied on the end of your line. Fish are opportunistic feeders and pick and choose what comes there way be it Fairly Static. But Vision plays an important part of the nature in which we all see. If you are in the woods and not moving then you are practcally Invisable but if you move or go fast.then you are seen more easily, So logic dictates that a lure going into turbo drive tends to wake up fish and they see it and move in on it.And like said the Chap was stripping in small buzzers the same as what he did with the Apps Bloodworm. oh! and he was using an Intermediate Line. And the Manager said "No Wonder he is a Pro". 29 Fish in All that Day. And the other day when I was Fishing I did just that and was using my Sowbugs The Plain Olive one and the Picasso Sowbug and was Stripping them in Faster than I have ever done before.and then I was Catching! It makes you wonder where we go wrong at times. whereby a simple change in retrieve makes all the difference!

[F.C.]

There are probably thousands of different ways to fish a buzzer depending on the buzzer, as with any fly or lure really Ive fished em static mostly, but allowed them to drift with the wind under a bung, or very large foam bodied Daddy or Sedge Dry fly, alternatively if the fish have been further up in the water the Dry fly has been tied on the point with the buzzers fished on 2 droppers back towards the leader loop at about 3-4 foot distance and a 6" dropper, or a Daddy on the top dropper a Satanic on middle and a Sedge on point works very well indeed again all left static or with a very very very slow retrieve, like a slow figure of 8 using 2 fingers just to keep the line tight to the fly's. watching either the buoyant fly, bung or the end of the fly line which is always a floating line.
If however using an apps type bloodworm they fish better sometimes stripped back or rolypoly retrieve really fast bit like a blob really problem is most people when they get back too re cast they lift straight off without waiting to see what has followed result a boil where the fly just left the water Always before recasting let the fly, lure, buzzer whatever hang before lifting off.
As Leon has said a simple alternative retrieve can sometimes trigger the fish into taking, lets face it natural buzzers do go up and down in the water, I start out with a simple count to 100 to allow the buzzers to sink to the maximum depth then just leave em static but keeping tight to them by retrieving the line a little , then next cast a slow figure of 8 retrieve, next retrieve would be a pull of about 6" then a rest then a pull of 6" continued, next a couple of figure of 8s then a pull of 6" followed by a rest to let buzzers sink again, alternate the retrieve can make all the difference as can changing the way you fish, a lot of people think they must cast to the middle of the lake straight out in order to catch a fish?
I have followed, well ok, tried to follow a rule that was showed to me a long time ago, instead of casting straight out as far as I can (which aint that far ) Cast around you from 9 to 3 (bank to bank) in an arc which really means you are covering a lot more water

[LEON]

I agree FC there are many ways to Fish with Buzzers and the fish have not read the rule book on the subject. Sure it is often said that you need to fish Buzzers Static as the Natural Chironomids move very Slowly. However What is Static. Nothings ever Static down in the Abyss. and as Said in My Article Above there was an Angler Stripping in an Apps Bloodworm Fast and Furious and Catching Galor!. The Same Applied to Stripping in a Single Small Buzzer.
Why that is. is Clearly Simple that Movement is the key Factor for the fish to react. To put it another way, You walk by a dog and the dog ignors you.But then if you Run past the same Dog.The Dogs wants to run and Bite yer Ass Off! on the Other Hand while having been a Deer Stalker.Lurking in the Forest with all the Camo Gear On. Nothing See's me.But the moment I move or make a Noise then every Deer will know I'm There.

So Believe in the Ways of Nature. Certainly You can Leave a Buzzer or 2 dangling below without any care in the world.yup! certainly a Fish will eventually cruise that area and Come across your Buzzer, But Remember the size of a Small buzzer in the fast area of the Fishery is the Same as One huge Whale in the Middle of the Atlantic Ocean.
sO by giving your Buzzer or Anything you tie on the end of your tippet. You will increase your chances of Catching far Better than Fishing Static. You are covering more water on every cast.you are covering different depths on every cast.You cannot see if there is Fish Below and can only assume that they are there in your area. they might be a the far side of the fishery or working there way around as a Goldfish Dose in a Small Bowl. rainbows are Coldwater Species but also in the wild they tend to Shoal,similar to Ones bread in a Farm, There is not much Difference as All the fish Were bread in a Farm Tank or Pool, So Old Habits never Die as they say! Fish will react if something whizzes past there nose. and you have to keep up the pace on most ocations. As you will find that sometimes you will see the fish behind chasing your offering and then you tend to slow down your retrieve thinking that to give it a chance Catching it, Wrong! Just keep up the chase and you will have better success otherwise the Fish will suspect something not natural if you like and turn away at the last moment. Whatever you do Don't stop your retreive before your offering is practically at your feet. as Fish will and do often come in Very Close to the Bank Before they engulf your Offering.

There is much to learn by the way nature has taught through millions of years. Like again the Rainbow Trout is Naturally a Cold Water Species from Alaska and During Hot and Bright Sunny Conditions it is regarded as a Bad time for anglers and anglers prefer an Overcast Day and Fish Deep where the Rainbows would be happy in the Colder depths. But again this is were nature comes in. The Preverbale Adder or Grass Snake are also Cold Blooded Creatures and when they get Warmed up by the sun they are more active. So let us not forget that Fact also Applies to Fish. they tend to get more agressive when it is warm.yet on the other hand they do not like Bright Sun as they do not have Eye lids. A glint from your Tippet Material is enough to put fish off.yet a Glint from your Lure is enough to Trigger Response. But That is the Beauty of Angling "Nothing is Cut and Dry" and Fish who have only a brain the size of a pea can still outwit the most experienced angler.